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		<title>By: Advance Market Commitment for Vaccines takes off: A Partial Solution - The Discomfort Zone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Advance Market Commitment for Vaccines takes off: A Partial Solution - The Discomfort Zone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 21:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] information came from Owen (thanks to Aman for the reference), who writes on his blog about the genesis and evolution of the AMC. He also provided the GAVI presentation on the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Owen</title>
		<link>http://www.owen.org/blog/658/comment-page-1#comment-2458</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, Dweep&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The devil is indeed in the detail; which is why it is good that a lot of the detail has been worked out and these questions have been answered.&#160; The papers &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.vaccineamc.org/background.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; set out the proposal in detail. Dweep&#039;s questions are answered there too.&#160; There has been a lot of analysis of the costs and benefits of this approach.&#160; It is demonstrably more cost effective than other development interventions, or than other ways of using public funds.&#160; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On Mark&#039;s specific point, there is very little chance of any company making super profits from this: because any company can compete for this market, excess expected profits will be competed away be more companies doing more R&amp;D to increase their chance of having a larger share of the market more quickly, resulting in more R&amp;D and a higher chance of a successful product, rather than windfall profits for the drugs companies.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;By the way, Mark mentions anti-retroviral therapy as an alternative use of funds.&#160; The cost of anti retrovirals are about a hundred times higher per disability adjusted life year saved than this vaccine proposal.&#160; Which is not to say we should not pay for them - I believe we should - but to say that interventions that we regard as a sensible use of taxpayers money have a much higher cost for the benefit than this AMC proposal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, Dweep</p>
<p>The devil is indeed in the detail; which is why it is good that a lot of the detail has been worked out and these questions have been answered.&nbsp; The papers <a href="http://www.vaccineamc.org/background.html" rel="nofollow">here</a> set out the proposal in detail. Dweep&#8217;s questions are answered there too.&nbsp; There has been a lot of analysis of the costs and benefits of this approach.&nbsp; It is demonstrably more cost effective than other development interventions, or than other ways of using public funds.&nbsp; </p>
<p>On Mark&#8217;s specific point, there is very little chance of any company making super profits from this: because any company can compete for this market, excess expected profits will be competed away be more companies doing more R&amp;D to increase their chance of having a larger share of the market more quickly, resulting in more R&amp;D and a higher chance of a successful product, rather than windfall profits for the drugs companies.</p>
<p>By the way, Mark mentions anti-retroviral therapy as an alternative use of funds.&nbsp; The cost of anti retrovirals are about a hundred times higher per disability adjusted life year saved than this vaccine proposal.&nbsp; Which is not to say we should not pay for them &#8211; I believe we should &#8211; but to say that interventions that we regard as a sensible use of taxpayers money have a much higher cost for the benefit than this AMC proposal.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.owen.org/blog/658/comment-page-1#comment-2457</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree with Dweep. The devil is in the detail. Is it really brilliant economics to show that people will do something if you pay them enough? Just look at Big Brother (sorry to non UK readers!). Whilst I accept that a vaccine which enables&#160;a drug company to make abnormal profits will still probably deliver an extremely cost effective product which is far better value for money than much of what is being delivered at present. But for me the brilliant economics would involve ensuring that the drug company makes only reasonable profits and its not clear to me how&#160;this is&#160;going to be done. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As a taxpayer I would be rather worried about much of my hard earned cash going to well off shareholders in the UK or wherever rather than those in need. And if we overpay the drug company what is the opportunity cost? Aid budgets are not finite. How many fewer people would be able to get antiretroviral therapy as a result?? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is great work - but lets not downplay the risks&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&#160;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Dweep. The devil is in the detail. Is it really brilliant economics to show that people will do something if you pay them enough? Just look at Big Brother (sorry to non UK readers!). Whilst I accept that a vaccine which enables&nbsp;a drug company to make abnormal profits will still probably deliver an extremely cost effective product which is far better value for money than much of what is being delivered at present. But for me the brilliant economics would involve ensuring that the drug company makes only reasonable profits and its not clear to me how&nbsp;this is&nbsp;going to be done. </p>
<p>As a taxpayer I would be rather worried about much of my hard earned cash going to well off shareholders in the UK or wherever rather than those in need. And if we overpay the drug company what is the opportunity cost? Aid budgets are not finite. How many fewer people would be able to get antiretroviral therapy as a result?? </p>
<p>This is great work &#8211; but lets not downplay the risks</p>
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		<title>By: Dweep Chanana</title>
		<link>http://www.owen.org/blog/658/comment-page-1#comment-2456</link>
		<dc:creator>Dweep Chanana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 11:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the presentation, which&#160;explains the mechanism. But it still doesn&#039;t put numbers on it - how many vaccines will this purchase (best and worst case)?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ve got a little related blurb on the topic over at &lt;a href=&quot;http://thdblog.wordpress.com/2007/02/15/advance-market-commitment-for-vaccines-takes-off-a-partial-solution/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;THDblog&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the presentation, which&nbsp;explains the mechanism. But it still doesn&#8217;t put numbers on it &#8211; how many vaccines will this purchase (best and worst case)?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got a little related blurb on the topic over at <a href="http://thdblog.wordpress.com/2007/02/15/advance-market-commitment-for-vaccines-takes-off-a-partial-solution/" rel="nofollow">THDblog</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Owen</title>
		<link>http://www.owen.org/blog/658/comment-page-1#comment-2455</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 20:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dweep&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The AMC sets a target price.&#160; Actually it sets two: one paid by the developing country buying the vaccine, and a top up paid to the drugs companies by donors.&#160; It also sets a long term price that the company agrees to sell the vaccines for once the AMC is exhausted. You can read more about the mechanism in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.vaccineamc.org/files/AMC%20PPT.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this powerpoint presentation&lt;/a&gt; (see slides 11 and 12).&#160; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hope that helps.&lt;br /&gt;Owen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dweep</p>
<p>The AMC sets a target price.&nbsp; Actually it sets two: one paid by the developing country buying the vaccine, and a top up paid to the drugs companies by donors.&nbsp; It also sets a long term price that the company agrees to sell the vaccines for once the AMC is exhausted. You can read more about the mechanism in <a href="http://www.vaccineamc.org/files/AMC%20PPT.pdf" rel="nofollow">this powerpoint presentation</a> (see slides 11 and 12).&nbsp; </p>
<p>Hope that helps.<br />Owen</p>
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		<title>By: Dweep Chanana</title>
		<link>http://www.owen.org/blog/658/comment-page-1#comment-2454</link>
		<dc:creator>Dweep Chanana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Own, you must be an economist?! :-) Thanks for the clarification (and providing quantitative proof of the different cost of life)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just out of curiosity, does the AMC specify how many shots are to be purchased? In other words, does it set a target price, per shot? As they say, the devli lies in the details, and I haven&#039;t seen the details yet.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Own, you must be an economist?! <img src='http://www.owen.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Thanks for the clarification (and providing quantitative proof of the different cost of life)</p>
<p>Just out of curiosity, does the AMC specify how many shots are to be purchased? In other words, does it set a target price, per shot? As they say, the devli lies in the details, and I haven&#8217;t seen the details yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Owen</title>
		<link>http://www.owen.org/blog/658/comment-page-1#comment-2453</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Dweep&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;The 5 million lives is calculated by looking at the burden of disease (ie how many children in each country get the disease, and how many of those die of it), the number of children who will be vaccinated in each country, and the effectiveness of the vaccine.&#160; Only a small proportion of the&#160;children&#160;we vaccinate would have died of the disease.&#160;&#160; The $300 per life saved is not the cost per vaccination; it is the cost per life saved.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Take a simple example (these&#160;numbers are purely illustrative). Suppose one in a hundred children that gets pneumo in a particular country dies as a result; and suppose you have a vaccine that is 80% effective.&#160; Then on average you will&#160;prevent&#160;7&#160;deaths for every&#160;thousand vaccinations you administer.&#160; So if you vaccinate 625 million children, you&#039;ll save 5 million lives.&#160; If the total cost of&#160;this is&#160;$1,500 million, then the cost per vaccination is $2.40; and the cost per life saved is $300.&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;By comparison, in the UK, the decisions of the National Institute for Clinical Excellence are consistent with an implicit cost effectiveness threshold&#160;of about $1.5 &lt;u&gt;million&lt;/u&gt; per life saved!&lt;font&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;Owen&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dweep</p>
<p>The 5 million lives is calculated by looking at the burden of disease (ie how many children in each country get the disease, and how many of those die of it), the number of children who will be vaccinated in each country, and the effectiveness of the vaccine.&nbsp; Only a small proportion of the&nbsp;children&nbsp;we vaccinate would have died of the disease.&nbsp;&nbsp; The $300 per life saved is not the cost per vaccination; it is the cost per life saved.</p>
<p>Take a simple example (these&nbsp;numbers are purely illustrative). Suppose one in a hundred children that gets pneumo in a particular country dies as a result; and suppose you have a vaccine that is 80% effective.&nbsp; Then on average you will&nbsp;prevent&nbsp;7&nbsp;deaths for every&nbsp;thousand vaccinations you administer.&nbsp; So if you vaccinate 625 million children, you&#39;ll save 5 million lives.&nbsp; If the total cost of&nbsp;this is&nbsp;$1,500 million, then the cost per vaccination is $2.40; and the cost per life saved is $300.</p>
<p>By comparison, in the UK, the decisions of the National Institute for Clinical Excellence are consistent with an implicit cost effectiveness threshold&nbsp;of about $1.5 <u>million</u> per life saved!<font></font></p>
<p>Owen</p>
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		<title>By: Issa Makumbi</title>
		<link>http://www.owen.org/blog/658/comment-page-1#comment-2452</link>
		<dc:creator>Issa Makumbi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 15:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This was a dream that started humbly. It is now a reality.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The ball is the court of Low resource countries to play their role effectively&#160; for the AMC to muture to adulthood and possibly retirement.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The bold and clear-headed leaders have planted the seed. It is&#160;the responsibility&#160;&#160;of &#160;all key players to nurture the process in a well coordinated manner.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Congratulations to the working group and the innovators&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Iss makumbi-Uganda&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was a dream that started humbly. It is now a reality.</p>
<p>The ball is the court of Low resource countries to play their role effectively&nbsp; for the AMC to muture to adulthood and possibly retirement.</p>
<p>The bold and clear-headed leaders have planted the seed. It is&nbsp;the responsibility&nbsp;&nbsp;of &nbsp;all key players to nurture the process in a well coordinated manner.</p>
<p>Congratulations to the working group and the innovators</p>
<p>Iss makumbi-Uganda</p>
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		<title>By: Dweep</title>
		<link>http://www.owen.org/blog/658/comment-page-1#comment-2451</link>
		<dc:creator>Dweep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;How do you arrive at the 5 million lives and $300 per life figures? Does this AMC guarantee only 5 million vaccine doses? If so, it does not compare very well with the current price of $60 of the vaccine in the US?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you arrive at the 5 million lives and $300 per life figures? Does this AMC guarantee only 5 million vaccine doses? If so, it does not compare very well with the current price of $60 of the vaccine in the US?</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.owen.org/blog/658/comment-page-1#comment-2450</link>
		<dc:creator>Wendy Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Owen -- A huge congratulations to you!&#160; I&#039;m sorry I couldn&#039;t be there to celebrate and toast to all the successes.&#160; You played such a critical catalytic role in this process.&#160; I agree with Orin -- I&#039;ll join your team any time.&#160; Take good care.&#160; Wendy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Owen &#8212; A huge congratulations to you!&nbsp; I&#8217;m sorry I couldn&#8217;t be there to celebrate and toast to all the successes.&nbsp; You played such a critical catalytic role in this process.&nbsp; I agree with Orin &#8212; I&#8217;ll join your team any time.&nbsp; Take good care.&nbsp; Wendy</p>
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		<title>By: Orin Levine</title>
		<link>http://www.owen.org/blog/658/comment-page-1#comment-2449</link>
		<dc:creator>Orin Levine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 20:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Owen,&#160;&#160; You&#039;ve summarized nicely the key part about team work and graciously acknowledged many contributions but it does not do justice to the significant role that you played in helping to shape the AMC.&#160; I know that I speak for a large number of people who are grateful for your efforts, your energy, and who learned a great deal from you during the process - both on the economics and the process.&#160; Thanks.&#160; And the next time you&#039;re putting together a team for a big, innovative, life-saving idea, I hope that I can be part of that one too.&#160; Orin&lt;/p&gt; &lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&#160;Owen replies:&lt;/strong&gt; Thanks Orin. It has been fun.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Owen,&nbsp;&nbsp; You&#39;ve summarized nicely the key part about team work and graciously acknowledged many contributions but it does not do justice to the significant role that you played in helping to shape the AMC.&nbsp; I know that I speak for a large number of people who are grateful for your efforts, your energy, and who learned a great deal from you during the process &#8211; both on the economics and the process.&nbsp; Thanks.&nbsp; And the next time you&#39;re putting together a team for a big, innovative, life-saving idea, I hope that I can be part of that one too.&nbsp; Orin</p>
<p><strong>&nbsp;Owen replies:</strong> Thanks Orin. It has been fun. </p>
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